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Î íàñ: Îñîçíàòü ñåáÿ ðóññêèìè
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«Ðóñü Ñîáîðíàÿ» Èíòåðâüþ ãàçåòå «Íîâûé Ïåòåðáóðã» îñíîâàòåëåé ïðîñâåòèòåëüñêîãî îáùåñòâà     «Ðóñü Ñîáîðíàÿ» Âèêòîðà Æîëíåðîâè÷à è Ôåëèêñà Øåâöîâà


- Â Ðîññèè ìíîæåñòâî ìåëêèõ îðãàíèçàöèé è ãðóïï ïîçèöèîíèðóþò ñåáÿ, êàê ïàðòèè è îáùåñòâåííûå îðãàíèçàöèè. Âû çàðåãèñòðèðîâàëè åù¸ îäíó – «Ðóñü Ñîáîðíóþ».  ÷åì æå å¸ îòëè÷èå îò äðóãèõ, â ÷åì öåëü å¸ ñîçäàíèÿ?
- Ãëàâíàÿ öåëü ñîçäàíèÿ íåêîììåð÷åñêîé îáùåñòâåííîé îðãàíèçàöèè «Ðóñü Ñîáîðíàÿ» - ýòî ñîçäàíèå íàöèîíàëüíî îðèåíòèðîâàííîé ðóññêîé ïàðòèè. Ïàðòèè âîçðîæäåíèÿ Ðîññèè. Íî íàäî îñîçíàòü íåñêîëüêî ðåàëèé. Ðóññêèé ÷åëîâåê áåç ïðàâîñëàâèÿ, äàæå êðåùåíûé åâðåé, æèâóùèé íå ïî òàëìóäó, à ïî Åâàíãåëèþ èäåíòèôèöèðóþò ñåáÿ, êàê ðóññêèé. Ìû äîëæíû ïîíÿòü ñàìèõ ñåáÿ è èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü èìåííî êàê ðóññêèõ è âûéòè, â êîíå÷íîì ñ÷åòå, íà òå ïîëèòè÷åñêèå ïàðòèè, ëèáî ñîçäàòü èõ, êîòîðûå òî÷íî òàêæå èäåíòèôèöèðóþò ñåáÿ, êàê ðóññêèå ïàðòèè, à íå êàê ðîññèéñêèå, ðîññèÿíñêèå è ïðî÷èå îðãàíèçàöèè ñ áëóäëèâûìè íàçâàíèÿìè. Ìû äîëæíû èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü ñåáÿ êàê ëþäåé ïðàâîñëàâíûõ, êàê ëþäåé òåðïèìûõ ê äðóãèì íàöèîíàëüíîñòÿì, íî óâàæàþùèõ ñåáÿ è ñâî¸ ãîñóäàðñòâî, êîòîðîå ïîñòðîèëè èõ ïðåäêè. Èñõîäÿ èç ýòîãî è äîëæíà ñòðîèòüñÿ íàöèîíàëüíàÿ ïîëèòèêà ðóññêîé ïàðòèè. Ïîâòîðþñü, íåçàâèñèìî îò íàöèîíàëüíîñòè ìû, æèâóùèå íà ðóññêîé çåìëå  è èäåíòèôèöèðóþùèå ñåáÿ êàê ðóññêèå ëþäè, èìååì ïîëíîå ïðàâî íàçûâàòü ñåáÿ ãîðäûì ñëîâîì «ðóññêèé», à íå îáåçëè÷åííûì «ðîññèÿíèí». Ïîòîìó ÷òî «ðóññêèé ÷åëîâåê» - ýòî, ïðåæäå âñåãî ÷åëîâåê ïðàâîñëàâíûé, ÷åëîâåê äóõîâíûé. Íåîáõîäèìî âåðíóòüñÿ ê òîé ðóññêîé äóõîâíîñòè, êîòîðîé Ðîññèÿ æèëà âåêàìè.


Âû ïðàâû. Íåäàâíî ÿ ïåðå÷èòûâàë çàïèñêè ãðóçèíñêîãî êíÿçÿ Áàãðàòèîíà. È îí ïèñàë: «ß – ðóññêèé».
-         Ìîé îòåö, êîìàíäèð áåëîðóññêîãî ïàðòèçàíñêîãî îòðÿäà òàêæå ãîâîðèë: «ß – ðóññêèé ñîëäàò». Âàæíî ïîíÿòü, ÷òî ýòî òàêîå – ðóññêèé ÷åëîâåê. À ïîòîì ïóñêàé ýòî áóäåò áåëîðóñ, óêðàèíåö èëè ãðóçèí. Íî ýòî áóäåò íàöèÿ, èìåþùàÿ ñèñòåìó äóõîâíûõ öåííîñòåé â âèäå ïðàâîñëàâèÿ, èìåþùàÿ äóõîâíûé ñòåðæåíü, êîòîðûé äåðæèò è ñîõðàíÿåò íàöèþ. Ëþäè äîëæíû æèòü ïî ñîâåñòè. Íàäî îñîçíàòü, ÷òî åñòü ñîâðåìåííàÿ ðîññèÿíñêàÿ ïîëèòèêà, ãðÿçíàÿ ïîëèòèêà. Ïðèâåäó ðåä÷àéøèé ïðèìåð – Äìèòðèé Íåëþáèí! Âåëè÷àéøèé ïðåäñòàâèòåëü òèòóëüíîé íàöèè, óáèò èíîðîäöàìè â íîâîãîäíþþ íî÷ü, íî åãî óáèéñòâî âñå ïîäëî çàìîë÷àëè. È ãóáåðíàòîð, è ïðîêóðîð. Äåñÿòêè ðóññêèõ ëþäåé óõîäÿò â Ïèòåðå èç äîìà è íå âîçâðàùàþòñÿ. Ïðèìåðîì, îïèñàííûé â «ÍÏ» ñëó÷àé ñ Ïàâëîì Ìàðêîâûì. Íî èõ íèêòî íå èùåò è íå âñïîìèíàåò, êàê íå âñïîìèíàþò î  ñîòíÿõ ðóññêèõ æåíùèí, èçíàñèëîâàííûõ è ïîðóãàííûõ íîâûìè «ðîññèÿíàìè» (êàâêàçöàìè è ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿìè èíûõ ìàëûõ íàðîäîâ ñ òåððèòîðèè áûâøåãî ÑÑÑÐ). Ïðè ýòîì íà ñâîåé ðîäèíå ýòè ëþäè íå ïîçâîëÿþò ïîäîáíûõ ïðåñòóïëåíèé, çíàÿ, ÷òî áóäóò ïðîêëÿòû è îòîìùåíû.  íûíåøíåé Ðîññèè ïîäîáíûå ãðàæäàíå óâåðåíû, ÷òî ìîãóò êóïèòü ñåáå ïðàâî áûòü áåçíàêàçàííûìè ïðè ëþáûõ ïðåñòóïëåíèÿõ, êàê íåçàäîëãî äî ýòîãî êóïèëè ñåáå ðîññèéñêîå ãðàæäàíñòâî. Ïî÷åìó ãîñóäàðñòâî äîçâîëÿåò ýòî íàøåñòâèå êàâêàçöåâ è èíîðîäöåâ, êîòîðûå óñòàíàâëèâàþò â Ðîññèè àáñîëþòíî ÷óæäûå å¸ âåêîâîìó ìåíòàëèòåòó ïîðÿäêè?! Èëè ýòî èíôîðìàöèîííàÿ ïîëèòèêà ãîñóäàðñòâà, íàïðàâëåííàÿ íà èñêîðåíåíèå âñåãî ðóññêîãî, íà ôèçè÷åñêîå è äóõîâíîå ïîäàâëåíèå ðóññêèõ. Ìû æå õîòèì âåðíóòüñÿ ê òåì ïîíÿòèÿì äóõîâíîñòè, êîòîðûå áûëè â Ðîññèè äî ðåâîëþöèè. Ýòî – íàøå ñâÿùåííîå ïðàâî.
-À êàê æå áûòü ñ íàñàæäàåìûì â îáùåñòâå ïîíÿòèåì ðóññêîãî ýêñòðåìèçìà?
-ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ñàìî ïîíÿòèå «ñêèíõåäû» è èõ àòðèáóòèêà ñîçäàíû ÑÌÈ ïî íàâîäêå ñïåöñëóæá. Ñïåöñëóæáû õîòÿò ïîêàçàòü îïðåäåëåííóþ ÷àñòü ðóññêèõ ëþäåé òàêèìè. Íà ñàìîì äåëå âåçäå, è â Ðîññèè, â Òàòàðèè, è íà Êàâêàçå âñåãäà áûëè äðàêè. Àäðåíàëèí èãðàë ó ìîëîä¸æè.  ëþáîé ðóññêîé äåðåâíå (êâàðòàëå) ïàðíè øëè ïðîòèâ äðóãèõ ðóññêèõ ïàðíåé, äåðåâíÿ íà äåðåâíþ (óëèöà íà óëèöó). Ñðåäè âûñøåãî ñîñëîâèÿ âî âñåõ ñòðàíàõ áûòîâàëè äóýëè. Ýòî áûëî ïðèíÿòî. ×òîáû ìóæèêè ðîñëè è ìóæàëè. Íî íèêîãäà íèêòî íå ãîâîðèë: òû òàòàðèí, ÿ – ðóññêèé. Ýòî – èçîáðåòåíèå íûíåøíèõ ñïåöñëóæá è ðóñîôîáîâ, ÷òîáû ðàçîáùèòü ðóññêèõ, ðàñòàùèòü èõ ïî íàöèîíàëüíûì êâàðòèðàì, îïðàâäàòü íåâèäàííîå íàðàùèâàíèå ïîëèöåéñêèõ ñèë. Ýòî æå íàäî!  Ðîññèè óæå îêðóãà âíóòðåííèõ âîéñê ïîÿâèëèñü. Ïîä ïðåäëîãîì áîðüáû ñ ìåæäóíàðîäíûì òåððîðèçìîì èä¸ò ïîäãîòîâêà ê ïîäàâëåíèþ ñèëîé îðóæèÿ ïîäñïóäíî è ìåäëåííî çðåþùåãî íàðîäíîãî âîññòàíèÿ ïðîòèâ àíòèíàðîäíîãî ðåæèìà. Ðåæèì ãîòîâèòñÿ ê ñèëîâûì äåéñòâèÿì. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ óáèéñòâ ñðåäè ìîëîä¸æè – óðîäû áûëè è åñòü ñðåäè âñåõ íàöèé. Íî êîìó-òî î÷åíü âûãîäíî ïðåäñòàâèòü îáûêíîâåííóþ ðóññêóþ øïàíó ýêñòðåìèñòàìè. Ïîäëîñòü âëàñòè äîøëà äî òîãî, ÷òî îíà èçîáðåëà íîâûé òåðìèí – ïðàâîñëàâíûé ýêñòðåìèçì?! Êîìó-òî âûãîäíî ïðèäàòü îáû÷íîìó õóëèãàíñòâó îòäåëüíûõ ýëåìåíòîâ ïîëèòè÷åñêóþ îêðàñêó è îòâåñòè îáùåñòâåííîå âíèìàíèå îò èñòîðèè ñòàíîâëåíèÿ «öèâèëèçîâàííûõ îáùåñòâ», êîòîðûå èñòðåáëÿëè èíäåéñêèå íàðîäû è ðàññûëàëè ïî ìèðó êðåñòîâûå ïîõîäû, ñæèãàëè íà êðåñòàõ íåãðîâ...  ïðàâîñëàâíîì ìèðó ïîäîáíîãî íå áûëî!
Åâðåéñêèé âîïðîñ. Âûñòóïëåíèÿ è ðàáîòû Äóøåíîâà. Åãî ñóäüáîíîñíûé ôèëüì «Ðîññèÿ ñ íîæîì â ñïèíå».
-Êàñàòåëüíî Äóøåíîâà. Îí ïîñòóïàåò, êàê ÷åëîâåê ïðàâîñëàâíûé. Îí èç òåõ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå áåðóò íà ñåáÿ îñíîâíîé óäàð è íåñóò â íàðîä ïðàâîñëàâíûå èñòèíû. Åâðåè ïðåäàëè Áîãà. Äóøåíîâ êàê ïðàâîñëàâíûé ÷åëîâåê áîðåòñÿ ñ áîãîáîðöàìè. Åñòåñòâåííî äëÿ íåãî íàðîä, êîòîðûé ïðåäàë, ýòî – ôàðèñåè. Ðàçãîâîð èä¸ò íà ìèñòè÷åñêîì óðîâíå. Ïðîñòîé ÷åëîâåê åãî íå ïîíèìàåò, îñîáåííî åñëè ñëûøèò èíôîðìàöèþ èç «ÿùèêà». Ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî Äóøåíîâ – ýêñòðåìèñò. À Äóøåíîâ óòâåðæäàåò, ÷òî åñòü äâå ñèëû. Ñèëû çëà – îëèöåòâîðåíèåì êîòîðûõ ÿâëÿþòñÿ áîãîáîðöû, ñ ïåðåäîâûì îòðÿäîì - èóäåÿìè, è ëþäè ïðàâîñëàâíûå, êîòîðûå èäóò ñ Áîãîì. Ïðîùàòü ìîæíî âñåõ, íî òîëüêî íå âðàãîâ Áîæèèõ. Ýòèì çàâåòîì  îòöà Èîííà è ðóêîâîäñòâóåòñÿ â ñâîåé áîðüáå Äóøåíîâ. Ïîýòîìó åãî ïîçèöèÿ òàêàÿ àãðåññèâíàÿ, æåñòêàÿ, ïðèíöèïèàëüíàÿ. È Äóøåíîâ èä¸ò, íå ñòåñíÿåòñÿ áûòü ðåçêèì, íå äóìàÿ î òîì, ÷òî î í¸ì ñêàæóò, ãîâîðèò òî, ÷òî ó íåãî â äóøå è ÷òî ñîîòâåòñòâóåò åãî óáåæäåíèÿì. Íå ñî âñåìè ìîìåíòàìè äåÿòåëüíîñòè Äóøåíîâà ìîæíî ñîãëàøàòüñÿ, íî íóæíî ïîíÿòü îäíî. Îí íèêîãäà íå áóäåò îðãàíèçîâûâàòü ïîãðîìû. Áîëåå òîãî, óâåðåí, î÷óòèñü Äóøåíîâ ïîáëèçîñòè âî âðåìÿ ïîãðîìà áðèòîãîëîâûõ, îí áóäåò âûòàñêèâàòü è åâðååâ, è êàâêàçöåâ! Îí æå ðóññêèé! Îí – ïðàâîñëàâíûé! Êàê ïðàâîñëàâíûé Äóøåíîâ íàõîäèòñÿ íà ôðîíòå áîðüáû ñ áîãîáîðöàìè è âåä¸ò ñåáÿ, êàê ôðîíòîâèê. Èä¸ò âîéíà ïðîòèâ Ðîññèè! Ýòî – î÷åâèäíî! È ýòèì âñ¸ ñêàçàíî. Áîã åìó â ïîìîùü!
-Åù¸ âîïðîñ. Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ÿ ïîíèìàþ òî, ÷òî ïîä òåððîðèçìîì íûíåøíÿÿ ðîññèéñêàÿ, àìåðèêàíñêàÿ è åâðîïåéñêàÿ ýëèòà èìåþò ââèäó íàöèîíàëüíî-îñâîáîäèòåëüíûå äâèæåíèÿ çà ñâîáîäó, ðàâåíñòâî è ýêîíîìè÷åñêóþ íåçàâèñèìîñòü?
-Ñîâåðøåííî âåðíî. Àðàáû, èñëàì, òåððîðèçì â Èðàêå. Ê èðàêöàì âëîìèëèñü áåç èõ ðàçðåøåíèÿ áàíäèòû â èõ äîì. Ïðåäñòàâüòå, ÷òî ê âàì â êâàðòèðó âîðâàëèñü ãðàáèòåëè. Åñëè âû íîðìàëüíûé ÷åëîâåê, âû âîçüìåòå ëþáîå îðóæèå è óáü¸òå áàíäèòîâ, çàùèùàÿ ñâîé äîì. Óáèòü áàíäèòà – ýòî íîðìàëüíî, ýòî ñïîñîá çàùèòû ïðàâ ÷åëîâåêà â óñëîâèÿõ, êîãäà èíûõ ìåòîäîâ íå îñòà¸òñÿ. Êîãäà âðàã ïðåâîñõîäèò òåáÿ ïî ÷èñëåííîñòè è ïî âîîðóæåíèþ.  Èðàêå èä¸ò íàñòîÿùàÿ íàöèîíàëüíî-îñâîáîäèòåëüíàÿ âîéíà ïðîòèâ îêêóïàíòîâ. Êàê âïðî÷åì è â Èçðàèëå.
-Åù¸ ðàç – öåëè «Ðóñè Ñîáîðíîé» - âîçðîæäåíèå ñàìîñîçíàíèÿ ðóññêîãî íàðîäà íà îñíîâå ïðàâîñëàâèÿ è âåêîâûõ òðàäèöèé. Íî ñîñåäè íàøåãî ðóññêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà ñðàçó æå âîñïðèìóò ýòî, êàê íå÷òî âðàæäåáíîå, êàê âåëèêîäåðæàâíûé ðóññêèé øîâèíèçì. Âàøè êîììåíòàðèè?
-Ìû íàõîäèìñÿ â òàêîì æå ïîëîæåíèè. Ìû äîëæíû ïîíèìàòü, ÷òî ðàç óæ ìû îòñîåäèíèëèñü, ðàç òàê íà ýòîì ýòàïå ðàññóäèëà èñòîðèÿ è îñòàâèëà íàì óñå÷åííóþ, óìåíüøåííóþ òåððèòîðèþ Ðîññèè, íàì íàäî íàó÷èòüñÿ æèòü â ýòîé Ðîññèè. È äåëàòü ñâîè äåëà, íå âìåøèâàÿñü â äðóãèå. Åñëè ðåøèëè, ÷òî ñòðàíû ÑÍà ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíûå, ïóñêàé áóäóò ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíûìè. Âðåìÿ ïîêàæåò – íàäî íàì îáúåäèíÿòüñÿ, èëè íåò. Îíè ñàìè ïðèäóò ê ýòîìó, åñëè ýòî íàäî. Íè â êîåì ñëó÷àå – íå ôîðñèðîâàòü. Ñíà÷àëà íàäî âûïîëîòü êðàïèâó â ñîáñòâåííîì îãîðîäå! Ñíà÷àëà, êàê óêðàèíöû, íàäî îñîçíàòü ñåáÿ, êàê íàöèþ, è îíè èìåþò ïðàâî áûòü íàöèîíàëèñòàìè. È ïåðâûé ïðèçíàê íàöèîíàëèñòîâ – ýòî óìåíèþ ñåáÿ çàùèòèòü, óìåíèå ïîñòîÿòü çà ñâîþ ñòðàíó è ñâîè óáåæäåíèÿ. Åñëè íàøè ðóêîâîäèòåëè ýòîãî íå ïîíèìàþò – îíè îñòàþòñÿ â îáîçå, êàê ïðîèçîøëî íà Óêðàèíå. Âîí, Áåëîðóññèÿ ñòðåìèòñÿ ê îáúåäèíåíèþ, à ðóêîâîäèòåëè Ðîññèè âîëîêèòÿò, óõîäÿò â ñòîðîíó, áîÿòñÿ ýòîãî ïðîÿâëåíèÿ ñâîáîäíîãî âîëåèçúÿâëåíèÿ äâóõ áðàòñêèõ íàðîäîâ. Âåäü, íåñîìíåííî, îáùåñòâåííàÿ, ãðàæäàíñêàÿ àêòèâíîñòü ðóññêèõ è áåëîðóñîâ ïîñëå îáúåäèíåíèÿ âîçðàñòóò ìíîãîêðàòíî! À íûíåøíèì ðóêîâîäèòåëÿì Ðîññèè íóæíû ðàáû, íóæíû áåññëîâåñíûå îâöû, êîòîðûõ ìîæíî áåçîïàñíî ñòðè÷ü. À âäðóã î÷íóòñÿ îò ñïÿ÷êè? Êàêîé óæàñ äëÿ ÷èíîâíèêîâ è âîðîâ!  ×òî êàñàåòñÿ óêðàèíöåâ, ìû äîëæíû èõ ïîíÿòü. Ïîíÿòü, ÷òî îíè íå âðàãè. Âðàã – ýòî íûíåøíèé ðåæèì, êîòîðûé íàñ ðàçäåëèë è òåïåðü õî÷åò ñäåëàòü âðàãàìè ïðè ïîääåðæêå àìåðèêàíñêèõ è èíûõ ïîëèòîëîãîâ «â øòàòñêîì». Óæå î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî åñòü çàðóáåæíàÿ çàêóëèñà è ïÿòàÿ êîëîííà âíóòðè íàøèõ ñòðàí, êîòîðûì âûãîäíî, ÷òîáû ðóññêèå, óêðàèíöû, ãðóçèíû, áåëîðóñû, ìîëäàâàíå ñòàëè âðàãàìè. Îòâåò – ìû äîëæíû îáúåäèíÿòüñÿ. Íî íå ñèëîé, à íà îñíîâå èñòîðè÷åñêîé îáùíîñòè, âåðîòåðïèìîñòè, âçàèìíîãî óâàæåíèÿ è íåíàâèñòè ê îáùèì âðàãàì.
-Íî âåäü ïîäîáíîé ðèòîðèêîé ïîëüçóþòñÿ êîììóíèñòû, «Ðîäèíà», ËÄÏÐ. ×åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ «Ðóñü Ñîáîðíàÿ»?
-×òîáû î íèõ ãîâîðèòü, èõ íàäî âèäåòü â äåéñòâèè. À äåéñòâèé ó íèõ ÍÅÒ! Îäíà ðèòîðèêà. Íàçâàííûå âàìè ïàðòèè íå õîòÿò áðàòü âëàñòü, à ýòî – íîíñåíñ äëÿ ëþáîé ïàðòèè! Ýòè ïàðòèè íå õîòÿò çàùèùàòü íàðîä. È íàøà çàäà÷à – ëèáî îòîáðàòü ó ýòèõ ïàðòèé èñòèííûõ ïàòðèîòîâ è ãðàæäàí ðóññêîãî Îòå÷åñòâà. Ëèáî çàñòàâèòü ëèäåðîâ ýòèõ ïàðòèé èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü ñåáÿ ñ ðóññêîé èñòîðèåé, ñ ïðàâîñëàâèåì, ñ ëþáîâüþ ê áëèæíåìó ñâîåìó. Èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü ñåáÿ, êàê ðóññêèì, à íå îòâëå÷åííûìè ÷åëîâåêàìè, îòâëå÷åííûìè åâðîïåéöàìè è èíûìè, ÷óæäûìè è íåïîíÿòíûìè Ðîññèè êàòåãîðèÿìè. Ñåé÷àñ ýòè ïàðòèè (ÊÏÐÔ, ËÄÏÐ è Ðîäèíà) âîñïðèíÿëè íàöèîíàëüíî-ïàòðèîòè÷åñêóþ ðèòîðèêó, íî íè÷åãî, àáñîëþòíî íè÷åãî äëÿ âîçðîæäåíèÿ Ðîññèè è âîçðîæäåíèÿ ðóññêîãî íàðîäà íå äåëàþò. ÊÏÐÔ èñ÷åðïàëà ñâîé ïîòåíöèàë. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ Ðîäèíû, òàì íåò íàöèîíàëüíî îðèåíòèðîâàííîãî ëèäåðà, êîòîðûé áû ìîã ñôîðìóëèðîâàòü ÿñíóþ, ÷åòêóþ, äîñòóïíóþ íàðîäó ðóññêóþ èäåþ âîçðîæäåíèÿ Ðîññèè. Ïîêà ÿ íå âèæó ñ èõ ñòîðîíû ðåàëüíîé óãðîçû íûíåøíåé àíòèðóññêîé âëàñòè.
À êàê âû ðàçãðàíè÷èâàåòå ïîíÿòèÿ íàöèîíàëèçì è ôàøèçì? Âåäü íàøè âðàãè è ïðîñòî ìàëîãðàìîòíûå ãðàæäàíå äðóãèõ íàöèîíàëüíîñòåé óïîðíî ïûòàþòñÿ ïðèïèñàòü ðóññêèì íàöèîíàëèñòàì èìèäæ ôàøèñòîâ?
- Ôàøèçì, êàê íàñ ó÷èëè â øêîëå, ýòî âëàñòü íàöèîíàëüíî îðèåíòèðîâàííûõ îëèãàðõîâ. Åñëè ïîíèìàòü ïîä ðóññêèì ôàøèçìîì êó÷êè ýêñòðåìèñòîâ, íàïðàâëÿåìûõ ñïåöñëóæáàìè – îáðàòèòåñü â ñïåöñëóæáû. À îëèãàðõè òî ó íàñ – êàê îäèí îïðåäåëåííîé íàöèîíàëüíîñòè è îðèåíòèðîâàíû îíè âîâñå íå íà Ðîññèþ è ê íàöèîíàëèçìó íå èìåþò íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ.
 öèâèëèçîâàííûõ è ñàìîäîñòàòî÷íûõ ñòðàíàõ íàöèîíàëèçì ÿâëÿåò ñîáîé îïëîò è ãàðàíòèþ ñîõðàíåíèÿ ãîñóäàðñòâà. Íàöèîíàëèñòû – ýòî íàèáîëåå îäóõîòâîðåííàÿ è æåðòâåííàÿ ÷àñòü îáùåñòâà, âïèòàâøèå â ñåáÿ êóëüòóðó è äóõîâíî-íðàâñòâåííûå ïðèíöèïû, âûðàáîòàííûå íàðîäîì â òå÷åíèå âåêîâ. Íàöèîíàëèñòû, ïî ñóòè, ÿâëÿþòñÿ õðàíèòåëÿìè êîäà íàöèè. Êîä, êîòîðûé ïîçâîëèë ìíîãî âåêîâ íàçàä ñîòíÿì ðàçðîçíåííûõ ïëåìåí ñîçäàòü åäèíóþ íàöèþ, ñâÿçàâøóþ íàðîä îáùèìè èíòåðåñàìè, òåððèòîðèåé, ÿçûêîì, êóëüòóðîé, à ãëàâíîå – äóõîâíûì ìèðîâîñïðèÿòèåì. Êîä, êîòîðûé ïîçâîëÿåò áåðåæíî õðàíèòü èñòîðèþ è ïðîøëûé îïûò ñòðàíû, âïèòûâàòü íîâîå è îòñåèâàòü ÷óæäîå. Íàöèè, ñóìåâøèå â âåêàõ ñîõðàíèòü òðàäèöèè è äóõîâíûé ñòåðæåíü, ñîõðàíèëè è ãîñóäàðñòâî. Ãîñóäàðñòâà, íå îñîçíàâøèå ñâîå èñòîðè÷åñêîå ïðåäíàçíà÷åíèå è íàðîäû, íå îùóòèâøèå ñåáÿ íàöèåé, îòïàëè, ïîäîáíî ñóõîé âåòêå, èç èñòîðè÷åñêîãî ðàçâèòèÿ ìèðà...
 Ðîññèè ãîñóäàðñòâîîáðàçóþùåé (òèòóëüíîé) íàöèåé ñòàë ðóññêèé íàðîä, äóõîâíûì ñòåðæíåì êîòîðîãî áûëà ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ âåðà.  Ïðè ýòîì â ïðîöåññå ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ è óêðåïëåíèÿ ãîñóäàðñòâà Ðîññèéñêîãî ñëîæèëîñü îñîáîå ïîíÿòèå, õàðàêòåðèçóþùåå íàöèîíàëüíóþ èäåþ – Ðóññêèé Äóõ.  ýòîì ïîíÿòèè ãîðäîñòü çà èñòîðèþ è çà çåìëþ Ðóññêóþ, ñòàâøóþ ìèñòè÷åñêèì ñèìâîëîì åäèíåíèÿ â òÿæåëûå ãîäû èñïûòàíèé.  ýòîì ïîíÿòèè – ñèëà äóõà ðóññêîãî íàðîäà, ãîòîâíîñòü ïîæåðòâîâàòü çà áëèæíåãî ñâîåãî.  ðóññêîì ÷åëîâåêå âåêàìè ñîçäàâàëàñü è ïåðåäàâàëàñü íà ãåííîì óðîâíå æèâàÿ ïîòðåáíîñòü â ñîñòðàäàíèè, ïîìîùè ñëàáûì, ñîáîðíîñòè. È ìû ïîáåæäàëè, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñèëà ðóññêîãî äóõà áûëà â ïðàâäå. Ïîýòîìó ïî÷åòíûì ñ÷èòàëîñü èìåíîâàòüñÿ ðóññêèì ñîëäàòîì, êàê ñèìâîëîì ñòîéêîñòè è âîëè äàæå è ó èíîðîäöåâ è èíîâåðöåâ, îùóùàâøèõ ñåáÿ ÷àñòèöåé îñîáîãî äóõîâíîãî ìèðà, èìåíîâàâøåãîñÿ Ðîññèÿ... Èñòî÷íèêîì òàêîãî äóõîâíîãî åäèíåíèÿ â Ðîññèè áûëà ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ öåðêîâü. Ïðåäñòàâëåíèå öåðêâè î Ìèðå, êàê î òâîðåíèè Áîæèåì, íå ïîçâîëÿëî ðóññêîìó íàðîäó âîçíîñèòüñÿ â ãîðäûíå è ïðè÷èñëÿòü  ñåáÿ  « âûñøåé ðàñå » ïîäîáíî ôàøèñòàì è ñèîíèñòàì. Ïîòîìó ÷òî âñå íàðîäû – Áîæèå òâîðåíèå... Íèêîìó íå äàíî áûëî ïðàâî ðóøèòü ìå÷åòè è ïåðåäåëûâàòü èõ â õðàìû, ñèëîé çàñòàâëÿòü èíîâåðöåâ ìåíÿòü âåðó... Ïîýòîìó, íåñìîòðÿ íà ìíîãîîáðàçèå äóõîâíûõ ó÷åíèé (èíîâåðöåâ) è íàðîäíîñòåé (èíîðîäöåâ), â äîðåâîëþöèîííîé Ðîññèè áûë ñîçäàí îñîáûé äóõîâíûé ìèð – Ðóññêèé ìèð. Îñîçíàíèå èíîðîäöàìè ñåáÿ ÷àñòèöåé ñâîåîáðàçíîãî äóõîâíîãî êîñìîñà, èìåíóåìîãî Ðîññèÿ, âîçìîæíîñòü ñâîáîäíîãî ðàçâèòèÿ è ñîõðàíåíèÿ ñâîåé êóëüòóðû, íå ïîçâîëèëî íàöèîíàëüíûì ýëèòàì óéòè â ñåáÿ è ïðîòèâîïîñòàâèòü  òèòóëüíîé íàöèè, íî íàîáîðîò,  ïîçâîëèëî âûáðàòü ïóòü âçàèìîïðîíèêíîâåíèÿ ðàçëè÷íûõ êóëüòóð.  êîíå÷íîì ñ÷åòå, â ìèðå ðîäèëîñü ïðåäñòàâëåíèå îá óíèêàëüíîì äóõîâíîì ÿâëåíèè ìèðîâîãî çíà÷åíèÿ – Ðóññêîé êóëüòóðå...   
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, äîðåâîëþöèîííàÿ ãîñóäàðñòâåííàÿ ïîëèòèêà â Ðîññèè, ïîçâîëÿëà ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû ñîõðàíÿòü êóëüòóðó è íàöèîíàëüíûå òðàäèöèè èíîðîäöàì, ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû îùóùàòü èìè ñåáÿ ïîääàííûìè âåëèêîé èìïåðèè, êîòîðûå èìåþò ïåðåä íåé îïðåäåëåííûå îáÿçàííîñòè. Ìíîãîâåêîâîé îïûò Ðîññèè ïîêàçûâàåò ñîâðåìåííûì ïîëèòèêàì îáðàçåö íå òîëüêî ðåøåíèÿ íàöèîíàëüíîãî âîïðîñà, íî è ïóòè ïîñòóïàòåëüíîãî ðàçâèòèÿ ãîñóäàðñòâà. Îïîðîé òàêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà äîëæíû áûòü ðóññêèå, êàê ïðåäñòàâèòåëè òèòóëüíîé íàöèè è ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ öåðêîâü, êàê äóõîâíûé ñòåðæåíü íàöèè.
Ãîâîðÿ î ïîíÿòèè «íàöèîíàëèçì», â ïîíèìàíèè ñîâðåìåííîé âëàñòè Ðîññèè è íåïðåìåííî ñâÿçàííûì ñ «ôàøèçìîì è êñåíîôîáèåé», õî÷åòñÿ îáðàòèòü âíèìàíèå íà ñëåäóþùåå. Íåñìîòðÿ íà ñìåíó ïîëèòè÷åñêîãî ñòðîÿ, à âìåñòå ñ íèì è ãîñóäàðñòâåííîé èäåîëîãèè,  âçãëÿäû íà ïîíÿòèå «íàöèîíàëèçì» ó áîëüøåâèêîâ – êîñìîïîëèòîâ, çàõâàòèâøèõ âëàñòü â 1917 ã. è «ðåôîðìàòîðîâ» èç «ðåâîëþöèè» 1993 ã. ïîëíîñòüþ ñîâïàäàþò. Êàæóùååñÿ ïðîòèâîðå÷èå, ëåãêî îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ, åñëè âçãëÿíóòü íà öåëè (òî÷íåå ðåçóëüòàòû) è äåéñòâóþùèå ëèöà îáåèõ «ðåâîëþöèé». 
-Îò ëèö åâðåéñêîé íàöèîíàëüíîñòè ÷àñòî ïðèõîäèòñÿ ñëûøàòü âîïðîñ. À êòî âàì, ðóññêèì, ìåøàë äåëàòü äåíüãè è ñòàòü îëèãàðõàìè? Èëè âû ïðîñòî íè íà ÷òî íå ñïîñîáíû?
-Ðåâîëþöèþ 17-ãî ãîäà íàì ïðåäñòàâèëè âçàìåí ó÷åíèÿ Õðèñòîâà, êàê êîììóíèñòè÷åñêîå ó÷åíèå, êàê ïóòü ê âåðøèíàì êîììóíèçìà. Ïðåäñòàâèëè, êñòàòè, â ñâîåé ìàññå íå ðóññêèå ðåâîëþöèîíåðû, òèïà ÷åëîâåêîíåíàâèñòíèêà Òðîöêîãî. Äîâåð÷èâûé â ñâîåé ìàññå ïðàâîñëàâíûé ðóññêèé íàðîä ïîâåðèë è ïîøåë çà ëæå -ïðîðîêàìè. È îáìàíóëñÿ. Òåïåðü ñîâåðøàåòñÿ íîâàÿ ðåâîëþöèÿ 93-ãî ãîäà â èíòåðåñàõ òîé æå ýòíè÷åñêîé ãðóïïû. È êîãäà ðóññêèå íà÷èíàþò ãîâîðèòü îá îðãàíèçàöèè ñîïðîòèâëåíèÿ ýòîé íîâîé íåðóññêîé ðåâîëþöèè, ðóññêèõ íà÷èíàþò íàçûâàòü ôàøèñòàìè! Âîò ëîãèêà âðàãà, êîòîðûé çàõâàòèë ðóññêîå èìóùåñòâî è âñåìè íåïðàâäàìè ïûòàåòñÿ åãî óäåðæàòü. Èëè âîçüì¸ì èíîé àñïåêò, ÷èñòî åâðåéñêîãî ïðèñóòñòâèÿ â ïðîöåññàõ ïåðåõîäà ê êàïèòàëèçìó. Íàñ ïðèçâàëè ñòðîèòü êàïèòàëèçì. Õîðîøî! Íî ãäå äåíüãè? Íåîáõîäèì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûé êàïèòàë. Íåîáõîäèìû êðåäèòû. Ïðèìåð òîìó «Àëüôà-ãðóïï», êîòîðàÿ îòêðîâåííî ëîááèðîâàëàñü àìåðèêàíñêèìè äåìîêðàòàìè. Ðàçâèòèå «Àëüôà-áàíêà» øëî íå ÷åðåç Ðîññèþ. Ýòè äåíüãè ïðèõîäèëè ïîä êîíêðåòíûå ïðîåêòû. Ýòè äåíüãè øëè äëÿ ñêóïêè ïî äåøåâêå ðóññêîé ñîáñòâåííîñòè. Íî ðóññêèé ÷åëîâåê òóäà âîéòè íå ìîã! Òî  åñòü íà ôèíàíñû ó íàñ ñóùåñòâóþò îïðåäåë¸ííûå ýòíè÷åñêèå çàâÿçêè. ×óæîãî òóäà íå ïóñòÿò. Ðóññêèõ, òàêèõ, êàê Ïðîõîðîâ, òàì åäèíèöû. Ðîññèÿ áûëà ñêóïëåíà ïî äåøåâêå èìåííî èç-çà ãðàíèöû, êîòîðàÿ ïëàòèëà áåøåíûå äåíüãè òàê íàçûâàåìûì ìåíåäæåðàì çà ñêóïêó çàâîäîâ, ôàáðèê, èíñòèòóòîâ, ëåñà, çåìëè ïî äåøåâêó. Ðîññèþ ðàñïðîäàëè ïî êóñî÷êàì! À òåïåðü, ïåðåä ñëåäóþùèìè âûáîðàìè ïðåçèäåíòà, âñÿ ñòðàíà íàáëþäàëà çà «îáíàëè÷êîé» 13 ìèëëèàðäîâ äîëëàðîâ!
-×òî âû èìååòå â âèäó?
-«Ñèáíåôòü»! Êëàññè÷åñêèé ïðèìåð «îáíàëè÷êè». Àáðàìîâè÷ó ïðîäàëè «Ñèáíåôòü» çà 100 ìèëëèîíîâ. È ÷åðåç 8 ëåò âåðíóëè Àáðàìîâè÷ó óæå 13, 1 ìèëëèàðäà äîëëàðîâ! ×òî ýòî, åñëè íå «îáíàëè÷êà»? Åñòåñòâåííî, ãîñïîäèí Àáðàìîâè÷ ñâîé ïðîöåíò ïîëó÷èò, à âñ¸ îñòàëüíîå âåðí¸òñÿ íà âûáîðû, íà «ñåìüþ», âåðíåòñÿ òåì ëþäÿì èç ãîñàïïàðàòà, êîòîðûå çàíèìàþòñÿ ýòîé îáíàëè÷êîé ó âñåõ íà âèäó! À ó íàñ äóøàò ìàëûé áèçíåñ äèêèìè íàëîãàìè è äðóãèìè (âåäîìñòâåííûìè) ïîáîðàìè, íå äàâàÿ âîçìîæíîñòè ëåãêî âçäîõíóòü. Åñòåñòâåííî, ýòî âåùè ñåé÷àñ íåäîêàçóåìûå. Íî ìû æèâ¸ì â äàííîé ñòðàíå è äîëæíû ðàçáèðàòüñÿ â ïîäñïóäíûõ òå÷åíèÿõ ïîëèòè÷åñêèõ ïðîöåññîâ.
-Êîãî «Ðóñü Ñîáîðíàÿ» âèäèò â ñâîèõ ñîþçíèêàõ?
-Íàøà ñîþçíèêè – ëþäè ëþáÿùèå ñâîþ ñòðàíó, ãîðäÿùèåñÿ åå èñòîðèåé, óâàæàþùèå ñåáÿ êàê íàöèþ. Ëþäè, âåðÿùèå â ñåáÿ è ñïîñîáíûå íà ïîñòóïêè.  ïîëèòèêå ìû ðàáîòàåì è áóäåì ðàáîòàòü ñ ñóùåñòâóþùèìè îáùåñòâåííûìè îáúåäèíåíèÿìè, ïàðòèÿìè, îñòðî îñîçíàþùèìè ïàãóáíîñòü äëÿ Ðîññèè êóðñà ïðîâîäèìîãî íûíåøíåé ëèáåðàëüíîé, áåçäóõîâíîé è íåðóññêîé âëàñòüþ. ×òîáû, îáúåäèíèâøèñü, ìîãëè ðàíî èëè ïîçäíî ïðèâåñòè ê âëàñòè íàöèîíàëüíî îðèåíòèðîâàííûõ è ÷åñòíûõ ïîëèòèêîâ.
     -×òî âû ñêàæåòå î ïðåçèäåíòå Ïóòèíå?
- ×òî èçìåíèëîñü ïîñëå Åëüöèíà? Ïðîñòî ìû ïîëó÷èëè ó âëàñòè ÷åëîâåêà íåïüþùåãî è ïîíèìàþùåãî, ÷òî Ðîññèÿ ñòîèò íà êðàþ ðàñïàäà. Ïóòèí ñóìåë ïðèîñòàíîâèòü ïðîöåññû ðàñïàäà. È ìû äîëæíû åãî çà ýòî öåíèòü. È – âñ¸! Íî ó âëàñòè ñòîÿò «âåëèêèå ýêîíîìèñòû» Êóäðèí, Ãðåô, Çóðàáîâ. È … íàøå íàñåëåíèå ñòàëî âûìèðàòü íà ïîëòîðà ìèëëèîíà ÷åëîâåê â ãîä. Îòòîê êàïèòàëà èç Ðîññèè ñóùåñòâåííî âîçðîñ. Íàöèîíàëüíî îðèåíòèðîâàííûõ îïïîçèöèîííûõ ïîëèòèêîâ, êàê è â ïåðèîä âëàñòè äåìøèçû íà÷àëà 90-õ ãîäîâ, ñòàëè íàçûâàòü ôàøèñòàìè...
-Äåìîãðàôè÷åñêàÿ ïðîáëåìà?
-Äàéòå æåíùèíå âîçìîæíîñòü ðîæàòü è âîñïèòûâàòü äåòåé. Âåäü ñòàáèëèçàöèîííûé ôîíä – ãèãàíòñêèé. Âïîëíå ìîæíî îáåñïå÷èòü âîñïðîèçâîäñòâî íàñåëåíèÿ. Âûäåëèòü ðîæåíèöàìè íå 3-5 òûñÿ÷ ðóáëåé, à 30-40 òûñÿ÷! Âåäü íàøëè æå ïî 30 òûñÿ÷ ðóáëåé äèðåêòîðàì íåðàáîòàþùèõ æèëêîíòîð. Íî Ïóòèí ñèäèò, êàê ñîáàêà íà ñåíå, íà ñòàáèëèçàöèîííîì ôîíäå, à ðóññêèå óìèðàþò. Äåíüãè åñòü, ðóññêèå æåíùèíû õîòÿò ëþáèòü è õîòÿò ðîæàòü, íî íåò ïîëèòè÷åñêîé âîëè ó ïðåçèäåíòà è ïðàâèòåëüñòâà Ôðàäêîâà, Ãðåôà, ×óáàéñà. Íå íóæíû èì ðóññêèå äåòè. Èõ äåòè ðàñòóò â Àìåðèêå, Ãåðìàíèè, Èçðàèëå. Êñòàòè âñïîìíèì, íàêàíóíå ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû, â 1910-1913 íà ñåìüþ ðóññêîãî êðåñòüÿíèíà ïðèõîäèëîñü 7 äåòåé, íà ñåìüþ ðóññêîãî ðàáî÷åãî – 7 äåòåé; íà ñåìüþ ðóññêîãî êóïöà – 7 äåòåé; íà ñåìüþ äâîðÿíèíà – 5-7 äåòåé! Ðîññèÿ, êàê íà äðîææàõ, øèðèëàñü è ðîñëà íà ðåëüñàõ ïðàâîñëàâèÿ, ðóññêîãî íàöèîíàëèçìà è ïåðåõîäà ê êàïèòàëèçìó. Èñïóãàâøèñü òàêîãî ðîñòà ìèðîâàÿ çàêóëèñà óñòðîèëà îòêðîâåííûé çàãîâîð è, êàê ÑÏÈÄ, êàê ÷óìó, âïðûñíóëà Ðîññèè ÿä ïîðàæåí÷åñòâà, ðàçáðîäà è ñàòàíèíñêîãî áîãîáîð÷åñòâà. Âïðûñíóëà ÿä îêòÿáðüñêîãî 17-ãî ãîäà ïåðåâîðîòà è ïîñëåäóþùåé 70-ëåòíåé ñìóòû. Ïîñëå êîòîðîé ðîæäàåìîñòü âî âñåõ êëàññàõ ðóññêîãî îáùåñòâà óïàëà ñ 7-ìè äî 0,7 íà ñåìüþ.
Âàøå îöåíêà äåÿòåëüíîñòè ãàñòåðáàéòåðîâ â Ðîññèè?
-ß çíàþ íå ïîíàñëûøêå  çíàþ ýòèõ ëþäåé. Ìíå ïðèõîäèëîñü îáùàòüñÿ ñ  áåëîðóñàìè, àðìÿíÿíàìè è ìîëäàâàíàìè. Ýòè ëþäè ïðîêëèíàþò òåõ ïðåñòóïíèêîâ, êîòîðûå ðàçâàëèëè Ñîþç. Ýòî – íàøè ñòîðîííèêè â ÑÍÃ. È ïî ìåíòàëèòåòó, è ïî âåðå, è ïî âîñïðèÿòèþ íàøåé ìíîãîâåêîâîé ñîâìåñòíîé èñòîðèè. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ òîãî, ÷òî îíè ÿêîáû ó êîãî-òî îòíèìàþò ðàáî÷èå ìåñòà – ýòî ëîæü.  Ïåòåðáóðãå êàòàñòðîôè÷åñêè íå õâàòàåò êàäðîâ, ÏÒÓ – ðàçðóøåíû. Íèêòî ðàáî÷èõ íå ãîòîâèò. Èç òåõ, êòî åùå ÷èñëèòñÿ íà áèðæàõ – îòêðîâåííûå «ëþìïåíû», êîòîðûõ âïîëíå óñòðàèâàåò ïîñîáèå ïðè ðàáîòàþùåé æåíå...
-Òàê ÷òî? Íåóæåëè ïðàâû òå, êòî ïëàíèðóåò çàïóñêàòü â Ðîññèþ ïî ìèëëèîíó êèòàéñêèõ ðàáî÷èõ â ãîä?
- Åñòü èíîé âûõîä. Ïðàâèòåëüñòâó Ðîññèè çàíèìàòüñÿ ïðÿìûìè íàöèîíàëüíûìè îáÿçàííîñòÿìè è ãîòîâèòü íàöèîíàëüíûå êàäðû ðàáî÷åé ñèëû, âîçðîæäàòü è ïðèóìíîæàòü ÏÒÓ. Âîçìîæíî, íà êîììåð÷åñêîé îñíîâå çà ñ÷åò êðóïíûõ êîìïàíèé è ãîñóäàðñòâà. Ó íàñ íåò âëàñòè! Îëèãàðõè è íûíåøíèå êðóïíûå ïðåäïðèíèìàòåëè ïðèøëè íà ãîòîâîå. È ÷èíîâíèêè, ãóáåðíàòîðû è èõ ïîä÷èí¸ííûå, ìýðû, ìèíèñòðû, íà÷àëüíèêè ôåäåðàëüíûõ àãåíñòâ ïðèøëè íà ãîòîâîå. Ó íèõ íåò îïûòà ñèñòåìíîãî àíàëèçà è óïðàâëåíèÿ,  íåò îïûòà ñèñòåìíîãî ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî ïîäõîäà. Îíè – äèëåòàíòû. Ïðèøåë, ê ïðèìåðó, þðèñò Ãðåô. Îí çàíèìàåòñÿ ïåðñïåêòèâîé íàøåé ýêîíîìèêè. À ÷òî îí ïîíèìàåò â ýêîíîìèêå? Âåäü ó íàñ óæå áûë ïðèìåð, êîãäà äèëåòàíòîâ âî âëàñòè çàìåíèëè ãîñóäàðñòâåííèêè. Ïîñëå äåôîëòà Åëüöèí áûë âûíóæäåí íàçíà÷èòü Åâãåíèÿ Ïðèìàêîâà. À ãëàâíûé ýêîíîìè÷åñêèé áëîê âîçãëàâèë ïðîôåññèîíàë Ìàñëþêîâ. È îíè âûâåëè ñòðàíó èç êðèçèñà. Ðîññèÿ íàõîäèòñÿ â ðóêàõ ëþäåé, ñîâåðøåííî íåêîìïåòåíòíûõ. È âñå èõ ðàçãîâîðû, ÷òî ìîë íè÷åãî íå âîçìîæíî ñäåëàòü – ýòî ïðèçíàê èìïîòåíòà! Íå ìîæåøü – óéäè! Íî åñëè íå óõîäÿò ñàìè – çíà÷èò íóæíî óáðàòü ñèëîé. 
-Ëþäè æèâóò ñåãîäíÿøíèì äí¸ì. Îíè äàæå óòðàòèëè èíñòèíêò ñàìîâûæèâàíèÿ. Íà ÷òî âû ðàññ÷èòûâàåòå, ñîçäàâàÿ åù¸ îäíî îáùåñòâåííîå îáúåäèíåíèå «Ðóñü Ñîáîðíàÿ»?
- Ìû, ïðàâîñëàâíûå - îïòèìèñòû. Äàæå åñëè íàñ áóäóò ïóãàòü îòðèöàòåëüíûì ðåçóëüòàòîì, ìû  áóäåì äåëàòü äåëî çà êîòîðîå âçÿëèñü, ïîòîìó çíàåì, ÷òî îíî ïðàâîå. ×òîáû ìîæíî áûëî ñêàçàòü ñâîèì äåòÿì – ÿ íå ñìîòðåë ñî ñòîðîíû. ß äåëàë, òî ÷òî ìîã. ß âñïîìèíàþ èíòåðåñíûé îïðîñ Ëåâàäû èç Öåíòðà èçó÷åíèÿ îáùåñòâåííîãî ìíåíèÿ. Âîïðîñ êàñàëñÿ 17-ãî ãîäà. ×òîáû âû äåëàëè â 17-îì ãîäó, íå çíàÿ, ÷òî òîãäà ñëó÷èëîñü? È, ïðåäñòàâüòå ñåáå, 80% ñòîðîííèêîâ «Åäèíîé Ðîññèè» îòâåòèëè: «Ìû áû íàáëþäàëè ñî ñòîðîíû, ÷åì áû âñ¸ ýòî êîí÷èëîñü»! Òàêîâ àáñîëþòíî àìîðàëüíûé óðîâåíü íûíåøíåé âëàñòè. Ýòî – ôàêòè÷åñêàÿ õàðàêòåðèñòèêà ïàðòèè «Åäèíàÿ Ðîññèÿ».
-ÍÀÖÈÎÍÀËÜÍÀß ÈÄÅß? ×òî ýòî òàêîå?
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